Episode 8

Prison Abolition (with John Bowden and Matt Roberts)

Published on: 31st May, 2021

Kim and Luca are joined by two members of the Prisoner Solidarity Network to discuss the prison system, criminal justice and the fight for Prison Abolition.

John Bowden is a long-time prison organiser, recently released after a 40 year prison sentence. While his co-defendants were released 20 years earlier, John's sentence was continually increased as he worked to draw attention to human rights violations and brutality within the system.

He is joined by Matt Roberts, a fellow PSN member, a musician and activist who has recently made a series of short films to draw attention to the issues PSN works on.

This extraordinary and far reaching conversation draws on John's first hand experience, the ideology behind abolition, how it compares to prison reform, what a post-prison world may look and how we get there.

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How Not
A Space for Good Troublemakers
How Not is the brainchild of two gobby Scottish creatives, Kim Macari and Luca Manning, who like to talk about the BIG stuff. We thought you might like to listen...So here we are. Our mission is to always be Good Troublemakers, to think big and to ask - How Not?!

Each episode, we pick something BIG to talk about. Sometimes that's an issue or idea that's been keeping us awake at night (like the right to Protest, The Punk Movement or Universal Basic Income...) and sometimes it's a person who think is bold and brilliant - someone worthy of the title Good Troublemaker (like Keith Haring, Marsha P. Johnson or Dererk Jarman...)
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